VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

Takkatakka · Dec 10, 2023

Ness99 said:
Unfortunately for me there is no French translation for this incredible game and my English is bad.
There are things that I don't really understand, could someone explain to me what Hana's new role is at the club and what it consists of?
Could she be part of the shows in a sexual way? Finally, is it possible that there is incest between Hana and her father or Mc and his mother?
Thank you to the kind soul who will take the time to answer me.

Effectively Hana took over parts of her fathers shares, so she is now partly an owner of the club like her Father, Kat and Chuck.

Seems like Kat wants Hana to take part in the shows like Kat herself. Coming up with "games" or judging the Carnations at the end of a game etc.

I doubt she will take part in a sexual way. That would not fit her character in any way right now.

Incest will not be in the game, neither between the MC and his mother, nor between August and Hana.

Jungles70 · Dec 10, 2023

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ename144 · Dec 10, 2023

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According to these numbers TD and GIL have added 254 statics, 0 animations and 6004 words since the last dev diary two weeks ago, an average of roughly 127 statics, 0.0 animations and 3000 words per week. Overall they are averaging ~100 statics, 2.4 animations and 2300 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 14:

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So far thing seem to be proceeding pretty smoothly. Presumably the low animation count indicates the devs are currently working through the less sexual parts of Felicia's date. If that's the case, and assuming Felicia's date is similar in scale to Hana's and Veronica's, that implies we might have a ways to go before the update is complete. Still, this is just speculation. We'll probably have a better idea how extensive Felicia's big night will be by the end of the year.

I'm still looking forward to it, even if it winds up being a longer than normal wait!

Bill Temple · Dec 10, 2023

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Good to see progress is not only being made, but also measured and analyzed so expertly.

Though, I have to say that with this spoiler title I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get to enjoy some holly or holiday lights borders along with some clipart christmas stockings, menorahs, and reindeer in the corners.

ename144 · Dec 11, 2023

Bill Temple said:
Good to see progress is not only being made, but also measured and analyzed so expertly.
Though, I have to say that with this spoiler title I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get to enjoy some holly or holiday lights borders along with some clipart christmas stockings, menorahs, and reindeer in the corners.

Hey, between the oncoming holidays, work, BaDIK releasing a new episode, and me coming down sick I'm afraid you'll have to make do with more primitive festivities. It's the thought that counts, right?

Takkatakka · Dec 11, 2023

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According to these numbers TD and GIL have added 254 statics, 0 animations and 6004 words since the last dev diary two weeks ago, an average of roughly 127 statics, 0.0 animations and 3000 words per week. Overall they are averaging ~100 statics, 2.4 animations and 2300 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 14:

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So far thing seem to be proceeding pretty smoothly. Presumably the low animation count indicates the devs are currently working through the less sexual parts of Felicia's date. If that's the case, and assuming Felicia's date is similar in scale to Hana's and Veronica's, that implies we might have a ways to go before the update is complete. Still, this is just speculation. We'll probably have a better idea how extensive Felicia's big night will be by the end of the year.

I'm still looking forward to it, even if it winds up being a longer than normal wait!

So...ETA about mid to end January.

Ragnar · Dec 11, 2023

tamagochi said:
4 months to only see some damn graphics that no one cares about and a report saying "shit, time flies" 4 months where he is receiving a salary based on patreons and does not release any damn update, before the developers updated their games every month, but now they stretch their time waiting times waiting to retire. So what are we really paying for? Do we pay for the damn game or are we supporting a lazy person who is showing us graphics like painkillers while he lives off of us?

If you're paying for something you're a very bad pirate

But I doubt you payed for anything.

Pitrik · Dec 11, 2023

1st time player ( yeah i know, at good time ) , can i have both Mina and Hana in one playthrough?

Elduriel · Dec 11, 2023

Pitrik said:
1st time player ( yeah i know, at good time ) , can i have both Mina and Hana in one playthrough?

sorta, just go with the FWB option with Hana rather than girlfriend when it comes up, then you are good to go (probably one of the most critical choices in the game so far... I mean the fuckbuddy/GF decision so probably worth to make a save there)

Ragnar · Dec 11, 2023

Pitrik said:
1st time player ( yeah i know, at good time ) , can i have both Mina and Hana in one playthrough?

Mina route should have a threesome some day but if you commit to Hana there is a cheating stat.
You can go fwb with Hana tho.

Takkatakka · Dec 11, 2023

Pitrik said:
1st time player ( yeah i know, at good time ) , can i have both Mina and Hana in one playthrough?

You can for now (and there might be a threesome at the horizon), how those relationships might progress towards the end remains to be seen. This isn't a harem game though and won't become one. TD made that very clear.

Also have fun. In this one you can actually fuck the old hag.

Pitrik · Dec 11, 2023

Elduriel said:
sorta, just go with the FWB option with Hana rather than girlfriend when it comes up, then you are good to go (probably one of the most critical choices in the game so far... I mean the fuckbuddy/GF decision so probably worth to make a save there)

Ragnar said:
Mina route should have a threesome some day but if you commit to Hana there is a cheating stat.
You can go fwb with Hana tho.

Understood thanks

Takkatakka said:
Also have fun. In this one you can actually fuck the old hag.

Ottoeight · Dec 11, 2023

So this is one of the few projects where the devs release A PUBLIC FREE (and bugfixed) VERSION after a few days they release the Patreon version...

and a guy comes here and starts BUSTING OUR/DEVS BALLS ?!?!?!?!?!

What the Damn Fuck

Don't answer and ignore list, bros.

Takkatakka · Dec 11, 2023

Ottoeight said:
So this is one of the few projects where the devs release A PUBLIC FREE (and bugfixed) VERSION after a few days they release the Patreon version...

and a guy comes here and starts BUSTING OUR/DEVS BALLS ?!?!?!?!?!

What the Damn Fuck

Don't answer and ignore list, bros.

Also progress is and has been pretty steady. Either someone has no idea how this works or it is just obvious trolling.

erogedegen · Dec 12, 2023

thank you for making this amazing game. hana and mina both deserve the entire fucking world. i love them both

se20299 · Dec 12, 2023

This whole argument is stupid. Stop feeding the trolls. The development of Pale Carnations is going at a rapid pace, especially for such a high quality VN with such a high production value. Comopre PC to the most popular AVN currently in development, Being a DIK, which is on track to have a release schedule of 1 episode in 1 and a 1/2 years, whose development will probably finish sometimes next decade at this pace. Sure, PC is a lot lighter on mechanics and variables, but my point still stands. Most games of this scale take 8 months minimum to update if you want any significant content.

Bill Temple · Dec 12, 2023

se20299 said:
This whole argument is stupid. Stop feeding the trolls. The development of Pale Carnations is going at a rapid pace, especially for such a high quality VN with such a high production value. Comopre PC to the most popular AVN currently in development, Being a DIK, which is on track to have a release schedule of 1 episode in 1 and a 1/2 years, whose development will probably finish sometimes next decade at this pace. Sure, PC is a lot lighter on mechanics and variables, but my point still stands. Most games of this scale take 8 months minimum to update if you want any significant content.

Agree. I didn't see the troll's post until the replies. I already had him on the ignore list for reasons I can't remember but were probably similar bad behavior. I'll point out that I think it's curious that he insists he's a paying supporter, but chooses to voice his concerns not on Patreon, not on Discord, but on a pirate site.

Pirates are fine, but shiver me timbers I can't stand bitchy selfish pirates.

1000Spiders · Dec 12, 2023

se20299 said:
This whole argument is stupid. Stop feeding the trolls. The development of Pale Carnations is going at a rapid pace, especially for such a high quality VN with such a high production value. Comopre PC to the most popular AVN currently in development, Being a DIK, which is on track to have a release schedule of 1 episode in 1 and a 1/2 years, whose development will probably finish sometimes next decade at this pace. Sure, PC is a lot lighter on mechanics and variables, but my point still stands. Most games of this scale take 8 months minimum to update if you want any significant content.

I only regret that I have but one like to give for this post.

Ness99 · Dec 12, 2023

I really hope that the dev has planned a way soon where Hana would be exposed during the shows, doing sexual things, I don't want her to just be a judge, I want her to participate.

Besides, is a show planned for the upcoming update?

Biscardone · Dec 12, 2023

TD1900 said:
An update we release in one month, apart from the question narrative coherence, would be roughly 1/4th the size of what we release in 4 months. Actually, releasing four updates over 4 months would probably have less content, due to stop-and-go aspect and releasing builds coming with its own administrative time sinks. At the very least, it would inform the pacing of events in a way that would be a detriment to the project's quality.

All trolling aside, that's something that needs to be stressed. I'm a consultant in the IT industry, and I can't even remember the number of times that the customer management asked me to do what I could to "reduce the development time". Be it adding other people to a project with tasks that require a hefty warm-up and can't be handled in parallel (a.k.a. "nine women can give birth to a child in a month"), or asking people to perform multiple tasks at one, as if stopping-and-going (a.k.a. "context switch") didn't have any overhead or quality implication.

That's something that is often seen in the Patreon-sphere: to decrease the development times, authors are often asked to "add more developers / artists" and "split releases in multiple chunks". And the answer should almost always be a resounding no. There is no magical formula, or modern development technique, to speed up a game release - at least, no formula that doesn't imply a quality impact, in any case. Developers, or game authors in this case, have to find a process that is fine to them. It may not be the best process in absolute terms, but hell, we're humans and we deserve to strike a good balance between "productivity" and "self-satisfaction" (God, how I hate marketing terms).

Oh, and laziness accusations, in this specific and many other cases, can go straight in the bin. If someone thinks that this is "milking", well, they don't know much of how real life works, and I'm surprised they can function in real life at all.

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