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Dec 21, 2023 10:11 AM
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I am an anime-only but before coming in to this episode, manga readers were saying how there was a scene with Mei Mei and her brother which caused outrage. Considering how their relationship was portrayed in previous episodes I was expecting something outrageous to happen but it... didn't? Sure their relationship is a bit weird but nothing really happened between those two so what's with the outrage?

Is it the fact that they were going to sleep on the same bed? Genuinely am I missing something here because I'm confused.
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Dec 21, 2023 10:12 AM
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yes they are about to have some hot pedo sex that was interrupted so that is the controversy
Dec 21, 2023 10:19 AM
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yes they are about to have some hot pedo sex that was interrupted so that is the controversy
@deg were they though? I just thought that they were gonna go to sleep or something.
Dec 21, 2023 10:25 AM
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That's because suddenly, every western fan forgot that they were reading Japanese media, and threw a fit. It's REALLY not that hard to just ignore it, as it is given like what, a page in the Manga, and 10 seconds in the Anime? Like yeah, Japan is weird when it comes to their media, if tentacle hentai hadn't already made that apparent to everyone.
Dec 21, 2023 10:25 AM
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At this point whenever you hear about supposed controversy, you should just dismiss it by default.

Dec 21, 2023 10:31 AM
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@deg were they though? I just thought that they were gonna go to sleep or something.
@OskarC25 No, it isn't outright stated, nor is it directly shown. But regardless, Ui Ui and Mei and Mei have a rather...odd relationship so depending on how one interprets the scene, it can imply exactly what you mentioned.
Dec 21, 2023 10:31 AM
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Buddy, in this day and age taking a breath the wrong way is enough to cause an outrage. It's your choice whether you ignore the mob or listen to their ramblings, but trying to make sense of it is a fool's errand.
Dec 21, 2023 10:32 AM
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it's a lil weird im ngl, but if a blindfolded man throwing big balls of light at people wasn't weird then idk what is
Dec 21, 2023 10:43 AM
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Like I get it that some people can get mad over this...But when can people learn to not take things like this too seriously?
Dec 21, 2023 10:46 AM

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People probably assumed they did more than just share the same bed. Let alone explicitly stating so, I don't think it was even so much as implied that they did anything sexual with each other. The optics of Mei Mei naked in bed with her kid brother are weird, absolutely, and I find that scene weird too, but outrage-worthy? Nah.
People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime.

Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait.

MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol.


Dec 21, 2023 10:48 AM
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Something that is deemed morally wrong in reality happening in fiction is always going to get annoying twitter users flared up. As long as it’s not murder or violence, because that’s always ignored to bitch about something else.
Dec 21, 2023 11:01 AM
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There was no outrage in the manga because manga fans don't really give a shit about this type of things and Jujutsu wasn't that mainstream back then, specially in manga format. But now that the series has gained more fame and recognition, on top of being anime format, some people were expecting the western fans to get outraged because of that. You know, like with Mushoku Tensei.

That said, Mei Mei is a "good guy" but that doesn't mean she is a good person and her relationship with her brother is depicted as something definitely not normal. If anything she is an example of how crazy/insane some sorcerers are... And we still don't get to see the big sorcerer families which should have more fucked up stuff based on what little we have seen of them.
Dec 21, 2023 11:08 AM
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I dunno y'all, it just looks weird af, that's all
Dec 21, 2023 11:25 AM
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Nobody is "outraged". Normal people just think it's bizarre and in there for no reason, which it is. And yes, being naked in bed with your sibling and talking about being "inappropriate" is bad guys.
Dec 21, 2023 11:39 AM

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That's because suddenly, every western fan forgot that they were reading Japanese media, and threw a fit. It's REALLY not that hard to just ignore it, as it is given like what, a page in the Manga, and 10 seconds in the Anime? Like yeah, Japan is weird when it comes to their media, if tentacle hentai hadn't already made that apparent to everyone.
@buyBread

Yup, I feel like Gege's having fun, letting fans get it twisted. They know they have to add some implied perversion cause, as you said, it's japanese media; having an otouto being infatuated with onee-san is pretty much seasoning in manga.
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Dec 21, 2023 11:53 AM

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Shounen anime normies are well known for being overly sensitive whenever it comes to age-gap or ecchi with underage characters...

Kids killing each other in war = fine
16y girl has her panties flashed = not fine
MadanielFLDec 21, 2023 11:57 AM
Dec 21, 2023 11:54 AM
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it's weird as hell Idc what anyone says why the hell was she naked in the bed with her little brother, and why was it implied that something was going to happen, yeah no this girl is not ok.
Dec 21, 2023 12:03 PM
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they just shared a bed, people are getting mad because they have so much filth in their head assuming weird stuff
Dec 21, 2023 12:09 PM
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they just shared a bed, people are getting mad because they have so much filth in their head assuming weird stuff
@beatmymachine You literally have to have no understanding of social cues to not see why it's weird lol. "They're just in bed together naked talking about being inappropriate with each other. What's the big deal guys"
Dec 21, 2023 12:13 PM
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darkavatar21 said:
@beatmymachine You literally have to have no understanding of social cues to not see why it's weird lol. "They're just in bed together naked talking about being inappropriate with each other. What's the big deal guys"

that wasn’t my point, well sure it is weird but that’s the whole point of her character, she’s not a good person so i don’t see why her doing something like this would surprise anyone besides western people are gonna throw a fit at literally everything that isn’t under their little sfw umbrella
Dec 21, 2023 12:29 PM
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Mei Mei is an incest pedo
Dec 21, 2023 12:33 PM
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It was pretty creepy imo
Dec 21, 2023 12:33 PM
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@beatmymachine You literally have to have no understanding of social cues to not see why it's weird lol. "They're just in bed together naked talking about being inappropriate with each other. What's the big deal guys"

that wasn’t my point, well sure it is weird but that’s the whole point of her character, she’s not a good person so i don’t see why her doing something like this would surprise anyone besides western people are gonna throw a fit at literally everything that isn’t under their little sfw umbrella
@beatmymachine You claimed there was nothing weird about it at all. No, her being a pedo is not the point of her character lol. It's in there for no reason Also, yes normal non-degenerate people are going to not like a sister grooming her brother. People trying to defend this is why people think anime fans are weird.
Dec 21, 2023 12:39 PM
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darkavatar21 said:
@beatmymachine You claimed there was nothing weird about it at all. No, her being a pedo is not the point of her character lol. It's in there for no reason Also, yes normal non-degenerate people are going to not like a sister grooming her brother. People trying to defend this is why people think anime fans are weird.

it’s literally a fictional character, what she’s doing is wrong but it’s not real so chill! what are you like 12?
Dec 21, 2023 12:40 PM
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MadanielFL said:
Shounen anime normies are well known for being overly sensitive whenever it comes to age-gap or ecchi with underage characters...

Kids killing each other in war = fine
16y girl has her panties flashed = not fine

i agree with this 100% lmao
Dec 21, 2023 12:48 PM

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Shounen anime normies are well known for being overly sensitive whenever it comes to age-gap or ecchi with underage characters...

Kids killing each other in war = fine
16y girl has her panties flashed = not fine
@MadanielFL

That’s cool but that kid isn’t 16 and she’s way above 16 too.

Kids killing each other in war is also there for a reason. This scene had absolutely no reason to be shown. Nobody is outraged by this besides random Twitter users but yall defending this are straight up weirdos
Dec 21, 2023 12:51 PM
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That's because suddenly, every western fan forgot that they were reading Japanese media, and threw a fit. It's REALLY not that hard to just ignore it, as it is given like what, a page in the Manga, and 10 seconds in the Anime? Like yeah, Japan is weird when it comes to their media, if tentacle hentai hadn't already made that apparent to everyone.
@buyBread kenjaku is prolly into tentacle hentai ngl
Dec 21, 2023 12:52 PM
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"I just want to crawl into a warm bed and sleep"

from Mei Mei in the credits preview.

So no little brothers were harmed in this, and we could all sleep well, dreaming about our older sisters.
Dec 21, 2023 12:52 PM

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Ethereal-peace said:
That’s cool but that kid isn’t 16 and she’s way above 16 too.

Kids killing each other in war is also there for a reason. This scene had absolutely no reason to be shown. Nobody is outraged by this besides random Twitter users but yall defending this are straight up weirdos
I know that the kid isn't 16, I'm just using a general example that people have gotten mad at from other shows.
Dec 21, 2023 1:17 PM

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I'm pretty sure 50% of it is just being ppl throwing around memes. But the implication imo is pretty clear. Mei Mei is explicitly naked in the bed and seducing Ui Ui in exchange for his servitude(hence he has a Sister Complex). Whether they're actually having s*x is another thing entirely but she's basically a groomer. I think the people genuinely mad are the ones who had Mei Mei as one of their favorites because of her looks but now they can't rep for her anymore without hearing about the pedo allegations.


Dec 21, 2023 1:23 PM
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obviously they weren't going to have sex. mei mei just has a very teasing personality.
Dec 21, 2023 1:23 PM
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It it that surprising people didn’t like the grooming/incest stuff? I think it could have been done better but I guess I see the point. Mei Mei is morally bankrupt and flees Shibuya to a different country while better people die. She’s in it for the money, or more she won’t do anything if the price isn’t right. And nothing is worth dying in Shibuya so I guess I understand the reaction to leave but it’s also a bad thing to do. But what part of that needed the incest? Her fleeing to another country was good enough as is to get the point across. Just to make her look even worse? Personally I just don’t see the point. I’m not outraged or whatever it’s just a weird thing to write into the story.
Dec 21, 2023 1:44 PM
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Those people should definitely not watch the Monogatari series haha
Dec 21, 2023 2:46 PM
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deg said:
yes they are about to have some hot pedo sex that was interrupted so that is the controversy

no, she was playing with him, she likes to manipulate him, so much so that the moment someone called she was already wearing clothes because the subject was money

think of her as the opposite of nanami, she's weird, but the manga never insinuated that she abused Ui Ui ( even the fanbook)
Dec 21, 2023 3:01 PM
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to me , I felt that scene was aimed to show a paradox between Mei Mei, a selfish and unethical character who lived through shibuya, and all those who were killed off... Mei Mei is not necessarily evil, but she definitely wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice anyone or any type of morality for her own sake. for power or for the money. she is willing to manipulate and use others ,even her brother ,for her own benefit. She wouldn't want to fight till her last breath, and she is fine with running away, unlike nobara. and now somehow she is talking business with her partners in Malaysia where Nanami, a selfless and ethical character, was hoping to see before he got offed by Mahito...
in that scene, in particular, she was just playing with ui ui, and that's basically there to show that in a cruel world, sometimes selfish wins, sometimes unethical, is the one who survives
Dec 21, 2023 3:10 PM
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obviously they weren't going to have sex. mei mei just has a very teasing personality.

Exactly. She’s not that messed up. Never understood why people thought they had sex or something. Rudiculous.
Dec 21, 2023 3:11 PM
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and btw... no, they weren't having sex, mei mei is not a pedo, and there was no incest... Mei is a manipulative bitch and Ui Ui is always sucking up to her, so she is just toying with him like a tool, I really don't think Mei Mei would consider intimacy with anyone if it doesn't make her gain shitload of money. someone mentioned it earlier. she is with the good guys. She actually wants the jujutsu sorcerers to win, but she is not necessarily a good person
Dec 21, 2023 3:20 PM
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MadanielFL said:
Shounen anime normies are well known for being overly sensitive whenever it comes to age-gap or ecchi with underage characters...

Kids killing each other in war = fine
16y girl has her panties flashed = not fine

This isn’t ab a 16 year old girl having her panties flashed though it’s about a full grown adult naked in bed touching her minor little brother talking about sleeping together 😭🙏
Dec 21, 2023 3:52 PM
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As you watch more anime you're just gonna go numb to these type scenes.

Personally after watching Yogusa no Sora & Nisemonogatari, I've been pretty much immune to incest in anime.
(not that it's a good thing tho)
Dec 21, 2023 4:02 PM

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I know... people love to over-interpret and invent anything they can. Mei and her brother are weird, but in this scene she was just teasing him, and since he has a sister complex, of course he blushed. People reacted to this moment as if Mei and her brother were at least having wild sex really XD Mei is attracted to money first, and secondly I suspect guys like Gojo and Geto (she flirted with them after all)
Dec 21, 2023 4:07 PM

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Some fun times in bed between the young Ui and her older (milf looking) sister, naked and doing naughty stuff. Even if it's to show something about Mei, scene is a bit out of place in jjk, but oh well, not a big deal.
JJK being so main stream ofcourse this will be controversial, the super casual watcher wouldn't all be used to shota incest stuff in they battle shounen.
It probably wasn't the best writing decision, but it is what it is
Dec 21, 2023 4:17 PM

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Im an anime only too when it comes to jjk, that scene also made me question wtf was I watching. Yes there is a decent amount of anime that is like that but this is a bit different and the way how she was teasing him made it more weird.
Dec 21, 2023 5:02 PM
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she likes to tease guys, ie to make them feel awkward and embarrassed by drawing attention to some unspoken erotic dynamic at an inopportune moment.

he worships her, the erotic dimension of which is especially repressed because he's too young/is family. but since he presents himself like a little adult, she couldn't resist making him squirm. if they were having sex why would he be so scandalized by it?

I think it's just a degenerate or triggered reading of the relationship to assume they will be having sex.
Dec 21, 2023 5:16 PM

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i didn't see an "outrage". that's a strong word. i did see people laugh and call it weird though. and that's absolutely valid, if you're a normal person. but it should've been me instead of ui ui.
Dec 21, 2023 5:27 PM
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Apparently, people in the west can't handle watching anything that isn't your average graphic novel made for middle schoolers. So honestly, just ignore anything that is "controversial" because usually it's just some stupid stuff like this.
Dec 21, 2023 6:30 PM
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idc because mei mei is hot
Dec 21, 2023 7:59 PM
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What is this world coming to
Why can’t 2 siblings have a platonic nude cuddle without the entire world throwing a fit over it
Dec 21, 2023 8:05 PM

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@MadanielFL

That’s cool but that kid isn’t 16 and she’s way above 16 too.

Kids killing each other in war is also there for a reason. This scene had absolutely no reason to be shown. Nobody is outraged by this besides random Twitter users but yall defending this are straight up weirdos
@Ethereal-peace

There are no reasons for kids killing each other need to be shown
Dec 21, 2023 9:33 PM
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If you don’t think that scene is weird and morally wrong, there is really something about what you believed in. I think people is just sick of the implication esp it is totally plot unrelated. Gege needs not go this far to tell us that Mei Mei is corrupted but he chose to do so for whatever reason. It doesn’t cause chaos, but doesn’t mean people will not expressed their disgust.
Dec 21, 2023 9:35 PM

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If you don’t think that scene is weird and morally wrong, there is really something about what you believed in. I think people is just sick of the implication esp it is totally plot unrelated. Gege needs not go this far to tell us that Mei Mei is corrupted but he chose to do so for whatever reason. It doesn’t cause chaos, but doesn’t mean people will not expressed their disgust.
@poohland It's not wrong because it is incest. It's wrong because there is an abuse of authority where Mei Mei uses her power to manipulate her younger brother into a relationship and the bodily autonomy is violated against his will is makes the relationship wrong
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