Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meglid Mihani
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. WP:ATHLETE clearly defines "fully professional," which is not the same as "top-level" (rather vague). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Previously bundled nom here - renominated to get clearer consensus on single article. The article is regarding a footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as there is no evidence to prove the Albanian Superliga is fully-professional. Also fails WP:N due to any references asserting notability. --Jimbo[online] 08:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable footballer. No evidence Albanian Superliga is fully professional, no enough evidence the subject may meet WP:N. --Angelo (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom; non-notable player who fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 12:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep as the player has played a significant number of games in the last 2 seasons for Besa in the Albanian top-level, and he has also played in the Intertoto Cup. I have added some text and a reference to the article. Eldumpo (talk) 08:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - plays in top level of football; and also in international competitions. Nfitz (talk) 04:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment playing "top-level" doesn't make someone notable, as it has to be fully-pro by the criteria set. What international competition has he competed in because there's no note of it in the article? --Jimbo[online] 08:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Also playing in the Intertoto against other semi-pro teams doesn't pass WP:ATHLETE. --Jimbo[online] 08:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:ATHLETE failure, which the two previous !votes somehow seem to ignore. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- the Athlete wording is so strict that I guess no players would survive a vigorous application of it! (it does therefore seem pointless) Eldumpo (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Er, actually, no it's not. Thousands of people meet it because they have played in fully professional leagues. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 'played in fully professional league' is not the definition given at ...Fully professional leagues; the definition there is 'a sports league where all first team players, in all teams composing the league, are known to be contracted in a full-time basis'. However, can anyone confirm whether that definition is regarded as Wikipedia guidance i.e. how does Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues tie with the overall Wikipedia pages on Athlete, given that the ATH page says 'competed at the fully professional level of a sport'. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't get your point. "Fully professional level" and "Fully professional league" are exactly the same thing. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 'played in fully professional league' is not the definition given at ...Fully professional leagues; the definition there is 'a sports league where all first team players, in all teams composing the league, are known to be contracted in a full-time basis'. However, can anyone confirm whether that definition is regarded as Wikipedia guidance i.e. how does Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues tie with the overall Wikipedia pages on Athlete, given that the ATH page says 'competed at the fully professional level of a sport'. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Er, actually, no it's not. Thousands of people meet it because they have played in fully professional leagues. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What about the 'known to be contracted' quote. However I'm aware my question is a wider point (and this AfD will expire soon!) so please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Thanks Eldumpo (talk) 20:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Every time a player signs for a professional club, a newspaper will report that he has signed an x-year contract. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not all professional player moves will be confirmed in papers (or online), some will just say that they've moved. But the current wording is that all players in the league must be fully professional so you need to have sources from all of those to prove the definition! Eldumpo (talk) 06:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Your comment is very pointy, not really valid at all. Wikipedia:Wikilawyering also comes to mind. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not all professional player moves will be confirmed in papers (or online), some will just say that they've moved. But the current wording is that all players in the league must be fully professional so you need to have sources from all of those to prove the definition! Eldumpo (talk) 06:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Every time a player signs for a professional club, a newspaper will report that he has signed an x-year contract. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, Albanian football is not fully professional and nor is competing in the Intertoto Cup. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.